Alexander Cornswalled ([info]cornswalled) wrote,
@ 2007-01-19 17:06:00
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It's legal for the states to ban Islam
Yes, yes, the Constitution declares "Congress shall make no law ... respecting an establishment of religion."

What people forget, is that this dictum was never meant to drive a wedge between the state and religion. Quite the opposite.

Many of the founding 13 colonies had state religions. The wording of the Bill of Rights is clear, particularly where it declares "'All the power that is not expressly delegated to the federal government is reserved for the states."

Pat Robertson said it best:
"The first point in the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment to the Constitution, said 'Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' There were certain states at that time that had established religions. Massachusetts was a case in point. They had a state religion. And they didn't want this enormously powerful Congress to superimpose a religious system on their state system. To guarantee the states retained critical rights, the tenth amendment said, 'All the power that is not expressly delegated to the federal government is reserved for the states.' The intent? The people -- i.e. the states -- have delegated power. They gave up some powers, but they did not give up all powers because they are sovereign states."

What does this mean for the War on Terror?

To start with, it means that it's legal for the states to pass laws to prohibit a given religion. In this case, Islam.

Once Islam is illegal, you can start rounding up the terrorists and prospective terrorists on far easier grounds than proving they had an active plot to bomb the Sears Tower. Questioning them becomes easier, detaining them becomes easier and it's damn hard to orchestrate a terror attack from prison.

The benefits are immeasurable. All it would take is for a few states to make Islam illegal.

Let's say New York State is the first to ban Islam. Suddenly, anyone flying through a NYC airport or driving down an state road is subject to detention and arrest for praying to the Muslim Moon God Allah.

How many of the 9/11 hijackers would have been thwarted by this?

If Massachusetts had outlawed Islam before 9/11/2001 the hijackers would have been unable to hijack the planes they subsequently few into the World Trade Center and The Pentagon.

It's time we took a real stand against the perpetrators of violence, and outlawed a theology based on the murder of those who don't follow it.

They call it "the religion of peace" but their own religious book dictates unbelievers be killed. They seem to enjoy following that rule. If they're so eager to slaughter us, then I say we start by kicking them out of our country.



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(Anonymous)
2007-01-20 12:48 am UTC (link)
You sir, are a loon.

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(Anonymous)
2007-01-20 01:06 am UTC (link)
sounds good to me until you mentioned Pat Robertson. he is as crazy as those towle head idiots.

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Loon? I don't think so...
(Anonymous)
2007-02-01 01:05 pm UTC (link)
Desperate times call for desperate measures.If the federal government can ban Mormons from practicing polygamy, then is banning a religion of which murder is a central tenet that far-fetched?

Brilliance is often perceived as lunacy by the profoundly stupid...

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Re: Loon? I don't think so...
[info]eye_of_the_hipo
2007-04-03 04:55 am UTC (link)
yes, yes it is, in one case, the government bans an action, polygamy. in this case, it would ban a religion, and as far as i know, terrorist attacks are already illegal.

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Re: Loon? I don't think so...
(Anonymous)
2009-03-29 11:33 pm UTC (link)
.....Can we find Jihadi organization in any other religions such: Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hizbullah, Horkut-ul- Jihad, Horkut-ul-mujahedin, Jaise Muhamad, Jihad-e-Muhammad, Tahrik-e-Nifaj-shariaat-e-Muhammad, Al-Hikhma, Al-badr-Mujaheddin, Jamah-e-Islamia, Hijb-e-Islamia, etc. etc.??? We can find several dozens of Jihadi Islamic terrorist organizations exists in every Muslim country throughout the world...........

ban islam now !

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Re: Loon? I don't think so...
(Anonymous)
2007-04-07 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Murder isn't a "central tenet" in Islam any more than it is in Christianity. Just like you have wacko Muslims that believe that murder is the best way to buy thier way into heaven, you have Christians who would like to see the Inquisition become law again. You're telling me that the Muslim who runs the bakery down the street from me, has lived here over a decade, and is nothing but nice to everyone who comes into his shop, regardless of religion, should have to face detention because he disagrees with you? Jesus never hated anyone for thier beliefs.

Also, the Federal government does not ban polygamy. States govern marriage. None of the facts you mentioned in your post are correct.

"Brilliance is often perceived as lunacy by the profoundly stupid..."-- Well that's relavant.

I do not have a LiveJournal account, but so my annonymity cannot be used against me my name is MAtt Baer and I live in Charleston, South Carolina.

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complete garbage
(Anonymous)
2007-02-27 03:12 pm UTC (link)
and no im not muslim. this article is complete garbage. Pat Robertsons arguement was very weak. his logic is complete garbage. the 10th amendment wasnt solely for this religious reason. the constitution is the final law, it overrules state laws, and this law regarding religion is clearly stated in the first amendment. you're a fucking dumbass if you cant see that.

this whole post should completely destroy your credibility, if you had any, which i doubt. so dont post any of ur articles on digg ever again.

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Re: complete garbage
[info]cornswalled
2007-02-27 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Naturally, this comes from someone who refuses to identify themselves.

I've got news for you, the argument is sound, as the Constitution grants all powers not granted to Federal Government to the States. The Constitution only bars the Federal Government form making any laws about Religion.

I know you don't like this, because it means your precious Jihadists could find themselves banned from entire states, but it's a fact and there's nothing you can do about it.

All we need now is for a few state legislatures to wake up and start banning this abomination. They hate us, so I say we kick them the HELL out.

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Re: complete garbage
(Anonymous)
2007-02-27 08:46 pm UTC (link)
The argument WAS sound. However, it neglects the 14th Amendment. That extends the Bill of Rights to state governments. Read the constitution.

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-02 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Dude Allah is the same God from all Abrahamic religions, including Christianity -You're a dumb ass if you can't understand this simple concept- it's just a different way of worshiping it -no God is not a man-.

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(Anonymous)
2007-06-05 09:11 pm UTC (link)
What you have said is partially right. Muslims do say that the God of the Christians and their God are both the same. But we have found that is not true. Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon god throughout the Middle East. In fact, Allah was the Moon god who was married to the Sun goddess and the stars were his daughters. Yes I agree how silly it sounds, because it is silly sounding.... Goddess worship goes back 10s of thousands of years before Islam, and Christianity. It was then before islam' called Paganism/Goddess worship. Both Christians and Islamics have stolen bit's and peaces of Paganism though out our history, Islam took Paganism, and Christianity then mixed and twisted them together a bit, and named their religion Islam. Then they named their God Allah' from the old Pagan Goddess "Allat" (which was the Pagan MOON GODDESS in Mecca Iraq). How about that? Look it up in religious history, it's all a bunch of man-made cult BS only to put fear in the hearts of mankind to follow their religion.

What really boils the water, and is just too funny' is that Muhammad's father's name was "Abd-Allah", and his Uncle's name was "Obied-Allah"....Looks to me as if he wanted this "Allah" name to go down in history as a God, well all I can say is' he got his wish. LOL.. Look it up.

Take care. :)

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(Anonymous)
2007-06-05 09:22 pm UTC (link)
Ohhhhh yes, I nearly forgot about the story... "It's legal for the states to ban Islam"....

All I have to say about that is: My views are "No I don't think that will never happen. I think it would be nicer to ban all religions' not just one. Their all just as bad as the other.

Take care...

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[info]sushi_squisher
2007-04-02 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Are you saying that we should ban around 2 billion people just to make your paranoid self feel better? Al Queda = an EXTREMIST organization of around, what, 20 people?
That is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard; do you seriously think that it's even possible to ban an entire religon? People have tried before, and it's never worked .
And NO, it is NOT legal to ban religion. The federal government overrides the state government in every issue .

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Get your facts straight
(Anonymous)
2007-04-03 11:15 pm UTC (link)
First of all, Pat Robertson is NOT a legitimate source--in fact I'd call him a very, very biased source--of information on this topic.

Secondly, banning Islam is NOT going to solve the terrorism problem. The real problem come from the fact that these terrorists hate America for being a Capitalist society. Al Quada and other terror organizations simply distort the teachings of Islam to justify their methods.

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-04 11:59 pm UTC (link)
"Certain states at that time", eh? Well, you should know that "at that time" the US was virtually a Confederacy in which individual states had all the power and the Federal government next to nil, so of course they made a state religion. The Federal government couldn't lift a finger against it.

Get with the times. Now the Federal government has the power and right to stop a state from passing and enforcing legislation if it violates that magical First Amendment....like, oh, perhaps BANNING SOMEONE FROM PRACTICING A RELIGION? That's why our ancestors left in the FIRST PLACE, FUCKFACE.

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you're a fool
(Anonymous)
2007-04-12 05:19 am UTC (link)
If you start rounding up people who pratice Islam you are no better then those who rounded up Native Americans, Japanese, Homosexualals, Jews, christians, Africans, ect...and killed them. You are a Nazi, A KKK member, and An asshole all around.
Only some Islamic people resort to violance, just like christians such as the KKK and others. I know this because i know plenty of Islamic people, they are very calm people, very nice.

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[info]white_wer
2007-04-12 05:32 am UTC (link)
Hey, we should follow this guy's lead. I mean... obviously he's brilliant and all and knows what's best. What's next? Ban the gays from states since they threaten the Christian views? Ooooh we gotta ban them Germans cause back during world war 2 they killed jewish people... or we gotta ban the people that dress like rappers cause they'll shoot you. Get off your high horse, There is nothing to be gained from banning an entire group due to the actions of a few. Oh ya, might as well ban all Irish people from the USA, cause of the actions of their bombing cousins back in Ireland. Some things strike me as idiocy from people who think they know what's best for the rest of us. I can go on and on about reasons to ban people. Might as well ban all white people from the USA, they were the ones who controlled slavery, ban Europeans from here as well, cause they brought the slaves. Ban the Japanese cause they attacked pearl harbor... would you really like me to go on? The true question you need to ask yourself, 'Why am I so scared of these people and why do I feel this need to remove them?'

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-12 05:34 am UTC (link)
Wahahahahaha, you actually believe that? My gods man, you are so very wrong on so many levels... First of all, banning a religion would do nothing. Do people ANNOUNCE what religion they follow? I don't, personally. Secondly, such a move is horrendously bigoted and would only make us LESS popular with far more than just the Islamic community. Also, your translation of the Bill of Rights is so twisted, it actually makes me want to hurl, you hate-filled, ignorant fool.

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D:
(Anonymous)
2007-04-12 05:52 am UTC (link)
Wow.....I think I may actually throw up after reading that..... I know there is probably no argument I can make that will make you realize how incredibly ignorant that is. Mostly because your head is so far up your own ass you probably wouldn't hear it anyway. Now pardon me while I go vomit.

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Have you ever been out of the United States?
(Anonymous)
2007-04-12 04:08 pm UTC (link)
I am not here to bash you. But, I do have a question that would help me understand you a bit better. You have all these posts on here and you have a lot of opinions. Generally, people who are very opinionated are very well learned and they have traveled quite a bit. Anyways, My question is have you ever traveled outside of the United States? Easiest question to answer.

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 07:18 pm UTC (link)
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(Anonymous)
2007-07-25 03:15 pm UTC (link)
that whole article is a load of crap!!!! camel crap for that matter.

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2007-08-26 07:54 pm UTC (link)
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(Anonymous)
2007-12-03 09:07 am UTC (link)
States technically can ban religion but the US constitution makes the law completely void. For instance, i believe that Denver has legalized marijuana but the national laws still prohibit it

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-25 05:10 pm UTC (link)
In Islam The Id ( Bakrad) is the Public manifaction of the philosophy that we dam care for any one and we are not bother of blood and killing. Since they can not do directly for Human beings the symbolic is goat
And See the statistics How many Terrorist world over were caught and how many were other then Muslim

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pblic manifastaton
(Anonymous)
2008-02-25 05:12 pm UTC (link)
In Islam The Id ( Bakrad) is the Public manifaction of the philosophy that we dam care for any one and we are not bother of blood and killing. Since they can not do directly for Human beings the symbolic is goat
And See the statistics How many Terrorist world over were caught and how many were other then Muslim

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(Anonymous)
2009-02-15 12:11 pm UTC (link)
You've got to be kidding me. Ive got an idea of something we should ban. IDIOTS!!! You can't be serious! Someone please wake me. Don't tell me i exist in a world where people actually truly believe in moronic ideas like this. Wait im awake...i am still awake.

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I HATE YOU
(Anonymous)
2009-02-15 12:21 pm UTC (link)
I hate you cornswalled you are the reason people look on this country and frown YOU SOLELY are the reason for terrorist attacks. YOU MAKE ME SICK. IF I EVER SAW YOU I WOULD SHIT ON YOUR FACE.

If you think i am afraid and hide behind online anonymity my name is ZECKARIAS TIBEBE and i live in San Francisco, California. Find me and PERISH.
OH boy i think i need some TUMS. YOU MAKE ME SICK.

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It's time we took a real stand against the perpetrators of violence.
(Anonymous)
2009-02-15 12:24 pm UTC (link)
How about we ban the American Government.

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